So i had wanted to try this for some time but the time has just slipped by. The Sigma Lens at 500mm should have been able to pick out the complete system but the whole setup was not very stable that night and all that was achievable was a 1 min sub frames -- how ever i managed to take 240 of them at ISO 12800 -- maybe a little too high ! So here is the result -- its faint but the level of the dark nebulae is amazing   the elephant trunk is visible as shown in the this crop